300 FLY

Has there  been a or is there a call for the 300 fly to be a reg  match . as most seem to see it as a fun shoot. I think waggas format of  300 on sat and 500 on sun was great . so with Leeton , Wagga, and now ACT  doing a Bat shoot, Little River  fly and talk of a 300 Mozzie shoot with 223s only , its sounding a little more serious then just fun, what do you all think ??.     Paul....

Hi Ratshot   i think you will find that 300 Fly has been shot at a lot of ranges
             up our way it has been shot at Mackay  and Blackwater Bluff  and
             is usually shot on a scaled down target   as a fun shoot
               it lets the average club shooter have a go at fly with his hunting rifle
            no need for target scopes and heavy target type rifles
                   every one seems to have a great time and try very hard to hit the fly
                once they have shot 300 fly  the BUG might bite and they might want
            to try  500 m  fly
                                                      john mc quire

I think everyone is working on the the right track here. Personally "fly" shooting at what ever range is great fun and the more people we can get involved in the sport the better the over all result and attendance. There is great scope for this type of shooting to grow. I like the call that was made about the "200" fly if this is the case then why can't there be records for 200 yards and 200 meters that way no one has to alter ranges, the result will be the same a range a record......

I would advocate that there be a rule book for "Fly Shooting" and a set of guidelines that all clubs adhere to in relation to the way shoots are run.

This is my thought.
1/ Bench Draws to be held at the range at 7.00am on the day of the match - that way everyone is there and bench numbers can be drawn from a ballot and then people can set up.
2/ All light gun entries to be weighed at 7.45am Two people to varify the weighing. Which includes all light guns used in the shoot.
3/ Delegates one from each state to be the dispute committee or in the advent of only two states at the shoot then two from one state and one from another.
4/ Standardised method of calculating scores and groups
5/ Only 8 rounds to be on the bench top clearly visible to the RO
6/ An equipment list be provided by the shooter
7/ Method of management of the media eg this web site and information sent through about the shoot eg spreadsheet of results. photo's etc

I am sure that there are any number of other things that we could put in there and perhaps these jobs as above would encourage people to assist as Pete Vanmuers posted.

What do you think

Firstly - the 300 Fly. As the 500 centrefire and 200 rimfire are still in their infancy as official events there is no point in muddying the waters by trying to get the 300 ratified. In any case we once again have a problem in that some places use metros and others use yards, also the 'Factory' class would never attain official status. This one is best left unofficial and run according to the host club's wishes.
Now, in reply to comments from Les -
We have a rule book that all registered matches must be run to - don't forget that the interim Fly rules are an attachment to the main bench rest rule book and must be read in conjunction with same.
Bench draw - as anyone who has organized a match can attest it is simply not feasible to leave it to the morning of the shoot, plus the time taken to put flags out to one's satisfaction can run to well over an hour and not at all something that can be achieved on the day. It is the norm in all forms of benchrest to have the draw done at least a day or two before and will never be entirely random due to equipment sharing etc.
Certainly a weigh-in for light guns should be conducted.
Any state delegate in attendance at a match (competing or not) would automatically be on the disputes committee.
Scoring using a computer program is not standardized in other aspects of benchrest but perhaps we could create a precedent by achieving this for the Fly shoots. I would suggest a review of the programs in use at the end of the year.
Points 5 and 6 are already covered by the rules.
The final point I will leave to others who are more computer literate than I.

Pete

As I said in the other post regarding bench draws.... I agree with Pete, it is not practical for it to be done on the morning of the shoot...., but I believe it should be done transparently, share requests  and particular needs taken into account but then drawn randomly and fairly and published at least 24 or even 48 hours before the shoot for all to see.  

This takes out the possibility of people requesting particular benches once the weather condition is able to be estimated or even once they know where other competitors are placed.

I am happy to assist with computer scoring spreadsheets for eventss.... I have written one for our event that converts the bench draw into a spreadsheet for the scorers to enter the targets on and it will automatically rank light gun and heavy gun places as well as highlight the highest scoring targets etc.  We should be able to have accurate ranked information after every detail during the day.

If it works well, I will happily make it available to other event organisers.

Who are the state delegates to the benchrest committee for FLY ?

Cheers

Anthony

State benchrest delegates are just that. There is no specific delegate for any given discipline within benchrest. The NSW delegates currently I believe to be Barry Warwick and Dave Billinghurst. Vic it's me and Jaegen Peet (no co-incidence that we both shoot Fly as well as traditional benchrest). Other states I am not entirely sure of but our National scorer and keeper of records, Max Coady, is also on the National Benchrest Committee.

Pete

We drifted off Paul's post abit by moving away from the original question i think we should get as many shoots going as possible. "Flyshooting" is about exactly that fly shooting.

Why can't we have it all, i think that we would not be muddying the waters on anything, in fact the more times we shoot to a process does it really matter the yardage. I get that for records then yes for sure they have to be specific, i don't know why we can't have 200yards, 200meters, 300yards, 300m at the end of the day clubs are trying to maximise the time spent at the range.

If clubs promote another shoot like 300m fly then perhaps the flow on effect from this will be more rifles will be built for this and more people will enter a second discipline.

"The Great fly weekend" at Wagga is an outstanding concept and has lot of potential.

Lets face it we all like to shoot and fly shooting is challenging and there are lots of toys.........

Thanks Les its feed back im after about 300 fly its a great training ground and confidence booster for new shooters to fly like myself and the misses.  The few times ive been to ACT fly shoots there has been new shooters on benches around me who were flat getting one scoring shot on paper , of course get pissed of  , that to hard and dont come back  . This is why 300 is so important it is easier there fore better for the ego of beginers who come back , build purpose built rifles etc , all good for the sport . So make it a rego match so it means something.  cheers Paul...

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